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my judgment was too glib. So I saw him a couple of days later in the borough president's office, and I said, “Percy, I'm going to tell you something your friends won't tell you, they will tell you, you did terrific on television. You did lousy. And I'm going to tell you how to do better. You come over, Percy, like the best salesman of snake oil in the country. Why? Because instead of waiting for a question to be asked, you immediately, because you're very smart -- you know the question before it's articulated and you respond immediately instead of waiting. Let the guy ask his question even if you know what it is. Then let there be a moment of silence, look to heaven, and then respond.”

Well, he does that, and he tells people that story, that I was the one who sort of changed the way he handled himself on TV, and he really is quite good. And we are good friends. I happen to think that he is someone who's very motivated by money and power, mostly money, and he's become very rich over the years -- he owns a radio station and he owns two newspapers, the Amsterdam News, which he's selling or has already sold because it's become an anti-Semitic sheet and he worries about its effect on him when he runs for mayor on 1977.

Now, that's that story. Should we get back to Lindsay?

I just want to ask you a couple of questions on this trial. I infer that this was a closed session; that the trial itself