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probably was running in '65.

I would have assumed that Wagner would have run, but I don't have any independent recollection of what really took place there, so I really can't say that I was shocked at Beame's selection.

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't that the year that Paul Screvane ran?

Didn't Screvane win with Beame? Wasn't that ticket Beame, Screvane -- and I don't know who was running for controller.

Wasn't '65 the year that Wagner chose not to run again and Paul Screvane had served as city council president in the last Wagner Administration, and then he ran as Wagner's successor and was defeated by Beame, who got the support largely of the outer boroughs.

That's exactly correct.

Screvane was a resident of Queens, but some people would characterize him as the “Manhattan candidate”?

I would say that is correct. He was not a good man. He's now head of OTB. He had a terrific voice, a very good radio voice.