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me. Joy. Tears of joy. And they take me into our MacDougall Street headquarters -- it's a storefront that they had set up for me. It was a night like no other I'll ever go through -- just sheer joy and love and affection that came from those people. They had done it. And they had in that area. I'll never forget them.

Well, then Hoving came down, and he did a sort of a jig on one of the tables. They lifted him up. They lifted me up onto a table. It was incredible, just an incredible night. Okay.

So now I'm elected, and a couple of months go by. I'm an independent person -- always have been -- and I make some criticisms of the Lindsay budget. I can't even remember: there may have been some legislation on the floor that he was supportive of and that maybe I was not. But while a meeting was going on in the city council, the sergeant at arms called me and said, “There's a phone call from you, councilman, and it's from Commissioner Hoving.” So I go out and take the phone call, and Hoving says something like: “Listen, Ed, the mayor is very upset that you're sniping at him and you're attacking this and you're attacking that, and he wants you to stop it.” I'm furious. And I say to him, “Listen, Tom, I'm not the mayor's man on the city council. I'm not even your man on the city council. I am my own man on this council, and I'll vote the way I want to vote.” I was furious that they should think that they can intimidate me