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the question was: how do you get that across?

Well, I'm for the death penalty.

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So I had to get out to people my convictions that they were answare of. Indeed, in 1972 -- it had nothing to do with the mayoralty -- when I ran for re-election (it may even have been 1970) -- I was before a group of League of Women Voters, and they were asking people their positions on substantive matters, and the last question was: “What is your position on the death penalty?” They asked all these people that were there. And all these liberal reformers from the east side -- Tony Olivieri and a number of them -- got up and said they were opposed to it. I got up and said, “I'm for it. I am for the death penalty in certain limited cases, where you have killing involving torture, the Manson kind of killing, where you have skyjacking and the deaths of passengers, where you have an assassin for hire and someone killed, where you have kidnapping with the death of the victim. There are a certain limited number of cases where I believe that the penalty of death is warranted. I'm not suggesting that it necessarily is going to have a deterrent effect. I think it will. But I guess you can make arguments on both sides. They can show you statistics that demonstrate that if you remove the death penalty, it doesn't make any difference or if you keep the death penalty, it doesn't make any difference. People kill anyway. Well, maybe they do, but