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to call people for money. I find it awful. But if you have to pay salaries, as I did, you have to make these calls. So I called her. She began to avoid my calls. And then one day she told me that she had to meet with Badillo and Blumenthal. I said, “What do you mean, you have to meet with Badillo and Blumenthal? You're only supporting me for mayor.” She said, “Well, I have to meet with them in all fairness.” So immediately I knew this was a screwball. If she's already told me that she's for me for mayor and she's made a commitment -- she's going to give us $500 -- what does she mean: she has to meet with Blumenthal and Badillo? That's not exactly sensible if you are truly committed to someone for a race that the other two are also contending for. All right.

Then she had a party for me, to her credit, at her home to meet people - not a fund-raising party, oh, no. She wasn't going to do that -- it was to have me meet people. And I go to her house, a very fancy penthouse. There are maybe 20 people, and I make my presentation, and she gets up and says, “Oh, Ed, where is the charisma? We need charisma.” I wanted to hit her. I really wanted to hit her. “Well,” I said, “I'm not exactly charismatic. I can only tell you the things I'm familiar with.” And the people were like her—richies. I don't do too well with richies. I do well with people who are rich who made the money themselves, but not with the sons' and daughters of inherited wealth. No, not with them.