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In any event, her father at that point gets up and says, “I have never heard a more honest person. I want you to know that I will do anything to elect you, and I will give you $25,000.” I said to myself, “My God, I feel like kissing his fingers.” (laughs) I controlled myself.

So that changes the discussion in the room, too. Nobody makes any pledge, because we weren't asking for money. But her father voluntarily did.

So then in the next couple of days I start calling, writing. He doesn't take my calls; he doesn't answer my letters; I can't get through to him. And I'm furious -- we need the money desperately. Well, ultimately he doesn't give anything. And I was so angry.

Now, the story becomes important... Then Joan Davidson at one point says to David Brown when she meets him at some election that took place at the Lexington Democratic Club: “If Ed gets out of the race, I'll send him the money.” What a despicable thing to say. Okay.

I never forgave her. Anyway comes her turn -- that's the nature of politics. It's a wheel. The next election '74, and she is running for state Senator against Roy Goodman, and she calls me up and I go. She wants advice. Should she run? Shouldn't she run? I said, “I always tell people: if you want to run, you should run. It's not a question that anybody else should tell you. You have the bug; you should run. I never tell people not to run.” “Do I have to move?” she says. “I don't