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So she comes in with a movie projector, a self-contained little movie projector. In the meantime, I had really done a lot of studying on this thing so that I'd be able to respond to her, you see. And she shows me this movie of a slaughter house. It's very gory. All these cows are being slaughtered and blood -- it was very gory. But that's what a slaughter house is -- very gory.

At the end she says, “I hope now that you will outlaw kosher slaughtering.” “Oh,” I said, “no, I couldn't do that. That's a matter of the First Amendment fights.” I said, “In addition, it happens that kosher slaughtering is not painful. The fact is: it's probably the least painful. What is painful is the civil law that requires that the cow be hoisted [it's called hoisting and some other term, where they hoist the animal up with its leg in order to make sure that when its throat is cut, it doesn't fall into its own offal].” I said, “It happens that there is something that prevents that called the Weinberg pen; and what the Jews had done was to get the ASPCA to develop a pen which keeps the animal together and doesn't permit it to fall. And I said, “I have no objection to requiring states to use the Weinberg pen. They happen to use it in Israel, and they use it in Pennsylvania.”

“Oh, no, we're not interested in the Weinberg pen,” she said, “we want kosher slaughtering stopped.” Very tough. I said,