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know well. The fact is, I thought of him as a bully. He is still a bully. But I know him much better and we have a very good relationship. You can have a relationship with a bully so long as you don't let him bully you. And he is probably the best debater in the Congress. He's the most savage debater. He will say things that nobody else would dare to say because they're vile, and you just don't use his kind of cutting remarks in debate. It's more than the English system -- you know, of a very incisive kind of scalpel type comment. Even with that, he's the very best debater. And he's someone whom you'd describe as right-wing, although in some areas he adopts a liberal position.

Well, I came to like him on the committee because he was a very fair committee chairman and ran the committee beautifully, beautifully -- very fair to the Republicans and Democrats -- and there were very few partisan battles on the committee.

Now, he was not well-liked outside of the committee, because he is a bully, because he throws his weight around. He's just not well-liked. But I thought an excellent chairman.

Now, when they had what's referred to by some as “the night of the long knives,” when they try to get rid of committee chairmen -- and allegedly it was done with the sponsorship of the leadership. That would mean that the Speaker of the House and Tip O'Neil and others were responsible for what occurred.

Now, what I have reference to is this: that in this last Congress they established a new committee called the STeering Committee, which was given for the first time the right to