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He said, “You mean you don't think he was guilty?” I said, “Oh, no, no. He was guilty. He's a crook. He's always been a crook, as long as I've known him, but if he was sentenced to jail, it should have been 20 years ago, not today when he's an old man and in context of what he's taken over the years, for a rather small sum. He should have been convicted and given a suspended sentence. That would have been adequate punishment. That's what I mean.” Says the reporter: “What would you say if Carmine suddenly appeared and walked across the street toward you?” “I would say, ‘Carmine, I'm truly sorry.’” Film ends. It's not a bad blip, you know? And I watch it on television that night.

The same reporter had gone over to Carmine's barber shop, which is immediately underneath the Tamawa store -- I don't know if it's still there, the Tamawa loft, I should say. I think it's no longer a barber shop, but I'm not sure. And I see the reporter doing my scene and then immediately back to back there's the reporter sitting in the barber shop chair. He's being shaved. You know, he's sort of like lying down, his face covered with cream, and the barber -- a wonderful image of the Italian barber. This is like the Barber of Seville. It's a wonderful image -- rather heavy set and a big walrus type moustache and really an interesting guy. And they're talking. The reporter says, “What did you think of Carmine?” “Oh, a wonderful man -- a wonderful man, wonderful man,” says the barber. And then the barber says, “What would you do if Carmine