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walked into your shop right now?” And the barber suddenly with tears in his eyes and with an Italian accent almost like an opera: “I'd a kissa him!” It was just a lovely, lovely moment. on television, those two things back to back.

I don't know what else I could tell you about Carmine. He's still a powerful man, not as powerful. I think the height of his power after he went to jail: it was alleged that he was responsible (I never had any independent knowledge of it, but I believe it) for the appointment of 19 of the judges in New York and in Bronx counties that year. I can't remember what year it was; it would have been four years ago, six years ago, something like that, where he was the one who had the most power in those appointments even though he had no actual elected position.

We're now talking about the last three or four years, right? How could he maintain that power when he was stripped of his district leadership in an election and he had served time?

Well, I'll tell you how he maintained power. The first thing is that currently, and for a number of years, his very close friend, whom I happen to like, Frank Rossetti, is the county leader. I'm going to see Frank Rossetti tomorrow. We're going to talk about how we can bring some peace, so to speak, to the borough of Manhattan and avoid some primary races for