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much political advice, although some, but civic advice and political
advice of a larger nature is what I'm saying. Maybe he
wanted to have an impact on judgeships -- I don't know. It would
be a good one. Norman Redlich, I want to make very clear is
I'm sure incorruptible and high standards and everything else.
He viewed Carmine as earthy, a leader of the proletariat, because
Norman Redlich is quite left. Most people don't perceive him
that way, but I do. And as a representative of people that
count and these people from the Village Independent Democrats--
that Ed Koch -- a bunch of Jewish reformers, what do they know?
They're sort of grafting themselves on the body politics. I'm
sort of giving my gut reactions to the way Norman Redlich would
see all this. There's something that can be molded by Norman
Redlich -- namely, Carmine DeSapio -- and there's this cancer
of the VID. That's the way I think Norman Redlich. saw it.
Or at least that's the way I was Norman Redlich. Because I
was outraged to hear the guy -- who's very decent; he's very
wealthy, left-wing -- and here instead of helping the forces
of good; he's helping the forces of evil. That's the way I
saw Norman Redlich.
Well, about 20 years later -- that would bring us to about
1969, 1970, somewhere along those lines -- I am extended an
invitation by Dan Collins and Norman Dorsen, who were then
very active at NYU. They're professors; they're still there.
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