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this address.” It gave me a great feeling, I must say. I watched his face. He just shriveled. Then McKay, who was the dean, said to me: “Did he really say that?” I said, “He did indeed; I remember it so well -- I never forgot it.”

And I remember when we stood in the reception line immediately after my speech, people came through and an elderly lady, who was the grandmother of one of the students, Jewish, took my hand and she kissed it. It was for me a remarkable experience. She said -- talking about that incident: “I thank you for saying that.”

It's hard to convey it, but it was for me very moving. How much shit do people have to take? And isn't it wonderful to be able to hand it out? Okay. what else can I say about Carmine?

Prior to going to give the address, which was in the evening, I'm invited to have dinner at the home of one of the professors -- I think it may have been McKay's home, but I'm not really sure. It was on Washington Square South. This was in advance of the performance. And Norman Redlich was designated to accompany me from the home across the park to the Loeb Center. And as we're walking across Washington Square South, and we're chatting about nothing really, and remember I'm a Congressman now, so there's a certain difference in attitude on the part of Norman Redlich, and I say to him (and this is something thatts vicious in me; I always like to tweak people if I can, especially if I

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