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worked myself into that position, because I think that's the way I can be most effective.

Q:

In this context, you mentioned in the first interview the internecine warfare that went on in the VID and the reform movement as a whole. Could you elaborate on this? How do you account for this beyond what you've just said now?

Koch:

Well, the most significant comment I can make about the reform movement and the VID is that they really can't stand succcess. If someone is elevated above the grass, the desire is to destroy that person. The feeling is that there has to be some uniformity. It's all of us without any one person being distinctive from the others -- I mean sort of like an amorphous mass. And the rivalries come when these heads stick out above the crowd. They're all very good people. Charlie McGuinness I told you and Dick Kuh were in the beginning the leaders. I didn't stay there because I couldn't get along with them. And, as I also I think told you, I was responsible for defeating Dick Kuh -- in part. I was called when the governor then, Malcolm Wilson, was deciding who should be selected for Frank Hogan's successor. Wilson was considering Dick Kuh and Nick Scoppetta, and I was told that they wanted my advice, and they wanted to avoid a primary. So I called up the governor's





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