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from bringing people into an area whose life style is different because they're poverty-stricken, as opposed to the normal situation.

The normal situation in our economy is: you move up yourself. Not everybody does it, and undoubtedly we have to find ways of making it possible for more people to get involved in the economic uplift, so to speak, and I'm for that. I mean if we concentrated on that, I'd be all for it -- to make it possible for people to rise -- and that's the nature and the beauty of the capitalist system that we have here. But I'm opposed to saying, “Well, listen, we're going to take this welfare family and we're going to put them in a building on the east side of Manhattan, and a two-bedroom apartment on the east side of Manhattan costs $640 a month for the average new apartment, and we're going to put them on welfare into an apartment that costs $640 a month.” You know, we do that. That is absolutely insane. It's insane for two reasons. One, how about the poor shnook who's making because he's working $10,000, $15,000 a year. He can't afford that apartment at $640 a month for his family and two kids, and so he lives on a much lesser style. So he sees a family on welfare coming out of abject poverty, with the city and state and federal government paying that rent moving into a building that he'd like to move into and he can't afford. And then the people who are in that building, who can afford it because they're either single or making sufficient money saying: