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First, I'd like to pick up on a couple of names from your
last interview so that they're fully identified in the record.
First of all, you recounted your Forest Hills experience with
Stanley Geller. Now, Stanley was for a long time active in VID,
and he became president -- is that correct? -- of the VID.
Yes, he followed me.
Did you manage his campaign?
For the presidency, yes sir.
Were those campaigns pretty...?
Very spirited. Now, you also referred to Jerry Birbach, the
conservative. Can you identify him a little further?
He lived in Forest Hills, and he became the leader of the
group that was opposed to the project. He was a real estate
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