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Koch:

I think it's 99 7th Avenue South, just south of 4th Street.

Q:

And the Ninth Circle is on West 10th Street between Greenwich Avenue, just off 6th Avenue and Greenwich Avenue.

Incidentally, when did the coffee house movement start? Do I recall correctly that that was really prior to the hippie time but really the time of the so-called Beat Generation and Allen Ginsberg was sort of the spearhead of the movement?

Koch:

Let me tell you a little bit about Allen Ginsberg. I happen to like Allen Ginsberg. He's a very strange guy, and I've had a couple of experiences with him that immediately come to mind. The first one where I met him was when I formed or at least I had this first public meeting for establishing a committee to handle MacDougal Street. I describe in yesterday's discussion this public meeting at the school of education at NYU with 250 people. One of the people who got up - I didn't know who he was -- was Allen Ginsberg, without beard. He got up and he made a remarkable speech. I can't even remember what the total thrust of it was, but part of it was that “we have to deal with these people who come to MacDougal Street in a reasonable way. If they're pissing in the doorways, then maybe we have to build a piss-soir where they can go into [that's his line] because after all, it's a natural need.” He's a very reasonable,



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