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rational guy, contrary to his reputation at that time. And people
liked him. It was the strangest thing. Here's Allen Ginsberg,
Number One Nut from their point of view, with 250 Italians, and
they really got along beautifully. He was really very good.
That was one of the first occasions, if not the first. Then we
got to know one another through various community events.
Second story. I'm walking along the street one day with
Dina Nolan, whom I've mentioned to you before, and Nick Marucci and the cup on the beat.
We're walking along MacDougal Street and suddenly I see Allen
Ginsberg with three other guys. One of them is Peter Orlovsky.
Now, Peter Orlovsky is Allen Ginsberg's lover. He has very long
hair in a braid, a little bizarre. If you're used to things,
as you are in the Village, it's not bizarre -- but a little
bizarre. So I see Allen and I say, “Hi, Allen, how are you?”
And he said, “Hello, Ed, how are you?” And I'm with Dina, you
know, and I figure it would be an interesting experience for
Dina Nolan and Nick Marucci of the cup to have coffee with Allen Ginsberg.
So I said, “What are you doing, Allen?” And so he said, “I'm
going someplace.” I said, “Do you have time for a cup of coffee?”
He said, “Sure.”
So we went into a luncheonette -- it's that one with a
garish yellow sign right at the corner of 3rd and MacDougal.
We sit down and I can't even remember what we were talking about,
but it was very reasonable, very rational. He's an immensely
interesting guy, and Dina was really enjoying it. “That's
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