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real estate having a very low amount available and a rich neighborhood having more. I'm not opposed to rich neighborhoods supplementing. But the necessary needs for education should be paid for out of the general treasury, not out of real estate, which makes for the problem I've just discussed with you, and that's what they're doing in New Jersey now. And I think they'll do it in other places, too. But I'm talking about New York and New York City, which is the only area I know. Here black schools get more than white schools. Every cockamanie new proposal is put into the ghetto areas -- the MES schools, More Effective Schools, a whole host of different school techniques. They get more per person than the white schools. That's number one.

2. There was a time when black parents were not militant and didn't care about their kids. That is not true anymore. They are more militant than the white parents. You don't need the militant white parent to be fighting for the black and the white kid, which was one of the theories that was preyalent back in the late '50s and '60s. Black parents today are fighting for their schools and for their children.

So if you don't have either of those two -- money or the militancy, lack thereof -- then the reasons don't exist anymore. In addition to that, you have the problem that on the basis of experience, black kids don't do better as a result of sitting next to white kids. They don't. They're never going to do better