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Well, she's very small. Her face is pale. She has light hair. She's very prim-looking, but rather attractive. She's very able, a good manager, but very careful, cautious and ambitious, but just not interested in this area at all and had even no public-relations feel for it.

What was her particular interest?

I don't know. I won't hazard a guess. She was interested in publishing and she ran her husband's newspaper.

In our conversation with her she said that night that she did not know how the AMA worked and had a great deal of trouble with them in Houston in connection with the blood bank program. Florence and I determined the next morning that the thing to do was to try to introduce her to Mike Gorman and Russell Lee of California, so that they might give her an education on the health field. Russell Lee was an outstanding member at this time of President Truman's Commission on the Health Needs of the Nation, which had just made a report.

Was he in Congress? What was his status?

No. He was just an outstanding doctor.

Florence arranged this meeting and they met shortly after. On the first part of February, I returned to Washington