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always under orders from the Bureau of the Budget to not cooperate with these requests for increases in research funds, or with the citizens, although some of the Institute directors did cooperate and were sympathetic, but it was always sub rosa, and their official attitude was always that whatever the Budget gave them was adequate.

Herman seemed to be under the influence of the Public Health Service, so I doubt that Hill ever saw a really good summary of what the needs turned out to be.

In March I was anxious about whether or not I would be appointed to any Council, as I was finishing my term with the National Advisory Heart Council in June. Consequently, I went to see Senator Hill to ask him if he would speak to Surgeon General Luther Terry and make it clear to Terry that he, Hill, would like to have me on the Cancer Council, along with Sidney Farber. Terry, as I've said, was appointed Surgeon General as a result of Hill's intervention in '61. Hill's influence did indeed cause Farber and me to be appointed to the Council of the National Cancer Institute. I'm sure they discussed it with Dr. Kenneth Endicott, who dreaded to have the two of us, who were always together on any new ideas, on the Cancer Council at the same time. However, Hill made it crystal clear to Terry and Endicott had to overcome his objections.

When we met in the fall we were horrified to find that we had only one other friend on the Council, Dr. R. Lee Clark of Houston, Texas. “I don't know what we'll be able to do or

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