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And how has the other independent agency reacted to the efforts of your Committee?

Well, do you know that because there are so few of us involved that no other agencies seem to care. The National Association for Mental Health, the voluntary organization that was supposed to be raising funds, because of their attitude which was led by Mr. duPont years and years ago, has never really come back into the field until the last two years even to ask for time to testify. Now, recently Adams has gotten interested and has gone into testify.

Now, as I told you in the early '50s, they tried to make a new organization, and they have raised totally in 1960, which is the last year that I have here--and the '61 figures are not much bigger but Jane should include them when she reads this-- were five million 780 thousand dollars nationally, and they allocated to research only $404,000, and they were really not responsible for doing anything about getting federal or state money; it's just been a small effort.

Is there a tremendous overhead with that organization?

Oh, there's an overhead because this money is raised by a large number of small committees who spend a lot of money just raising funds.

What seems to be their first objective currently?