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to do moderately well, not to be a great star, as a student. And I really was exhausted because some of the classes would start at 8 in the morning, and I'd have to go up a hill which was terribly steep with terrific snow and sleet and ice, and then I'd go out to parties or to the candy shop where we would dance and to marvelous, marvelous dances at night.

Did you go in for winter sports, too?

No, not at all. Once in a while I would ride in an ice boat but never anything else. Charles Lindbergh was in my class, believe it or not. I never saw him, but I found out later that he had been in this enormous class at the University of Wisconsin. Fredric March, who was then called Frederick Bickel, was a senior when I was a freshman. I thought he was surely the greatest actor that had ever lived and it turned out that indeed he was a great actor, and probably is one of the best of our times.

Were you involved in amateur theater there?

No, I was just an admirer of theatricals. I was moderately involved when I went to Radcliffe.

Well, after a year and a half of these goings-on, my mother saw that I was actually worn out and she suggested that I leave school and get rested and go maybe to Radcliffe where I wouldn't