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be so frustrated, and I gradually left the gallery, did no more work in it, and tried to interest myself in other things, especially things in connection with chain stores because I didn't know such things as chain stores existed. I didn't realize that by going to see five buyers, you could sell things to maybe 5,000 stores, you know, for small prices, and that by selling at a very low price you could make a decent living if whatever you sold would have big repeat sales.

What led you to that?

Well, I got interested, because I was interested in visual things, in movies, because when I stopped working at the gallery I finally discovered movies. Then I found that there were no decent movie magazines, and with a friend I tried to build up a good movie magazine, a magazine that would be printed on slick paper and would be intelligently written and well made up.

To be published in New York?

To be published in New York and sold through chains of movie houses, you see. Movie houses were booming and there were thousands of theaters, and I thought the magazine could be distributed through them. Well, I spent about a year and a half on this and found that it was really impossible, but in the