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and on for the rest of his life after about '36 or '37, something like that. He died in '45. He remarried again, but I continued to give him support because I was so happy that he had found someone who was charming and that he was happy with, and it would have been very difficult for them to live without the money I gave him, so I continued to give it to him.

Did that experience with an alcoholic...

Oh, it influenced me tremendously. I think the business of alcoholism was too frustrating for me to be interested in directly, but I got to be interested in psychiatry and psychoanalysis and the whole field of mental illness, and I sort of steered away from alcoholism because I think maybe I had had too great a shock in connection with it.

When I started to make an outline of what my major motivations were in doing anything, I found out that it all went back to my violent reaction and hostility to illness for myself or for anybody else. And I can tell you a whole series of what I did, what my encounters with illness were, who had them, and what action I took maybe 30 to 40 years later. Isn't it extraordinary! It would seem almost unbelivable but I can document it.

And you really in a sense when you trace them like that can connect them with what you've done, and it's almost providential.