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health message to Congress, he seldom spontaneously talked about health problems, except at this dinner and once in a while made reference to it in a big speech. He did very little about it. He told me since that one of the few things he didn't accomplish in his term of office that he really wanted to do something about was health insurance. He said this in that TV record that he made with Murrow, after his term in the White House.

His failure to make frequent mention of this subject and health problems, was this because it came late to him?

I think it came late to him, and also the people around him, including Clark Clifford, never spoke of it. Sam Rosenman was . It wasn't a subject that was discussed with him by other legislative leaders, and it was something that he knew the meaning of, especially through his experience as a county judge in Missouri, and he felt strongly about it but it wasn't something that got inserted in his speech and it wasn't in the forefront of his mind but he really was interested in it when you talked to him about it. He heartily agreed, but it wasn't in the air, or we hadn't been able to put it in the air because there was so much opposition.

During the summer of the campaign of '48 we provided various sections for speeches on the subject of health and health insurance which Florence gave to Clark Clifford and which