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published, which you see, by Simon and Shuster, and recently I've started to collect American abstract expressionists, like R, Klein, Gottlieb, Paul Jenkins, Stamos, and also two Frenchmen, Soularge and M, because these seem to be the first people to have gone in a fresh direction since Picasso and Matisse, and Braque, and they're the first Americans who ever caused a revolutionary movement and influence the rest of the painters of the contemporary world at all. Now, maybe they won't turn out to be important in the history of painting, but I rather think some of them will.

These are the ones you intended for your office, aren't they?

Yes, and I have loaned them to the United States Mission and to the Hospital of New York University and to the Art Institute in Chicago and various other places and I hope sometime to have an apartment or a house or an office where I can put them, but actually I have many more now than I could possibly use in any office I might have. And I'm now buying some Greek sculpture because I think you need some Greek sculpture to have a human feeling in a room with these very abstract and colorful paintings.

I notice that you also have a fondness for Chinese porcelain.

Yes, I like those, but just as little punctuation marks