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public speaking. He just wasn't a natural speaker, but he became a speaker because he wanted to be, finally. He made the effort to be one.

I remember that during the campaign we were very, very dubious about its outcome; we thought that Dewey was going to win. I remember contribution only $2500 to his campaign because that was all Albert would let me give. Albert wouldn't give anything himself. He said it was absolutely hopeless, that the polls showed that Truman was not going to win. And we were startled when Florence Mahoney returned from Arizona with the news that the editor of the Prescott paper in Arizona had taken a poll of the papers in the state and the state was going to go for Truman and Truman was going to win. We thought it was absolute nonsense. I said, “Who else have you talked to?” and she said, “Well, I've talked to the oil station attendants all the way driving back and they're all for Truman.” I was all for Truman, but I just couldn't believe that the Gallup poll could be so wrong, so I thought it was probably hopeless. And I remember that Truman was in town at the end of October, in '48, in connection with the campaign, and I took Audrey Bouverie, my English friend to meet him, and that we had Clark Clifford for cocktails, because we'd loved him but essentially we thought the cause was hopeless. And so did most people at that time, at the end of October, '48.

What did Clifford himself feel?

Well, I think Clifford himself was a little groggy, but