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a great deal of preliminary discussion, if they had heard substantial amounts of money were being spent either by the State Department or by the NIH in research, might have been very fanatical about trying to get it stopped. And I think that now the danger is largely passed. I may be wrong, but it certainly has changed; the whole thing has eased.

Well, another product of this committee was a book that David Lloyd wrote called Spend and Survive, the main thesis of which was that in order to improve the conditions of life for people in the United States, we needed economic growth and that economic growth was generated by intelligent spending on the part of the Federal Government in education and in public works projects, and also he advocated that taxes should be cut so that people would have more money to spend, and consequently, as people spend more money they generate more business, and in the end there would be a larger gross national product on which taxes could be levied. This book didn't have any success as a best-seller, but we spent the money to distribute it widely throughout the Congress and to the key officials in the Administration. David Bell, then the Director of the Budget, was a great friend of David Lloyd's, and many of Lloyd's ideas were embraced by Bell or may have already been held by Bell. At any rate, it's an extremely good book which represents a great deal of research, information, and many sensible recommendations that haven't been carried out yet, as I think you'll agree.

To go back to some of the efforts that I've listed, Senator Johnson had a conception that the United States wasn't