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No, I don't remember that that was particularly discussed. It was felt that Hawaii was a good atmosphere for a new international university, and Johnson made a speech about it in April of 1959 in which he touched upon this proposal. It was an idea to which he had some particular emotional attachment, and I thought it was a good idea.

The administration of the program is now under the University of Hawaii.

Yes, it is.

Does it have any connection with the State Department?

Well, the State Department had some influence on the thinking in connection with it but I doubt that the State Department has anything to do with its present administration.

It was an idea that attracted me but it wasn't anything that I could do anything about as I didn't have any firsthand information about Hawaii. I did agree that Hawaii was a place where there was very little color prejudice and where Oriental students could learn English and get a feeling of American life in a favorable atmosphere.

One of the most important efforts that we made was on the Aid to Education Bill. I employed Kenneth Birkhead in '59 to see if he couldn't, by gathering all the forces in the education field, promote the passage of the General Aid to