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people and, I must say, I was moved by the fact that I realized that we were probably out of date due to Eisenhower's lack of interest in research in advanced weapons, and the Sputnik showed it. So, I said yes, I would give funds toward it. I had more funds then than I have now.

Among the members of the committee were Harrison Brown, Norman Cousins, Leghorn, Archie Alexander, a friend of Stevenson's, and various other people whose names are listed here. They came out with a pamphlet called “1970 Without Arms Control,” which was, I believe, a very good pamphlet projecting where we were at and what could happen. It was the basis for a conference, or was used at a conference on planning for peace which was started by Tom S. I want to give it to you as a sample of the intelligent thinking of the time.

They also provided a pamphlet which discussed the nth-country problem in arms control. They were naturally very much against other countries getting atomic weapons, and this was a projection of what could happen should other countries get it. It essentially was one of the bases for a test-ban treaty, such as we now have with Russia.

You asked me about the interest in the Rules Committee which David Lloyd or Jones worked on. We found, of course, that the Aid to Education Bill was stymied in the Rules Committee when we started to work, as many other liberal pieces of legislation were. And we found that the truth was that there were too few Democrats assigned to the Rules Committee, that in some committees there was a much bigger Democratic control than there was on the Rules Committee. We felt that we had to get the Rules changed. I