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heart research] will write to the Heart Institute, we'll try to see that you get some support if it's worthy of support, and I'm sure that it is.”

She got whoever was the director of her fund, who was interested in heart research, to write to the Heart Institute, but the grant was turned down because naturally you have to be pretty good to compete with American requests in the Heart Institute and you have to do something quite sophisticated. This made me rather sad because I realized that there was nothing in this whole country, probably nothing in western Europe that was advanced in heart surgery at all or in heart research and that it was a shame there here where there was one layman, one human being, who had some influence and who was interested shouldn't have any help from an institute which by this time already had very substantial amounts of money, and we also had funds for international research grants--at that time about $15 million for all the institutes, but at any rate it was $15 million for foreign grants.

I took the matter up with Dr. Michael DeBakey who was on the Council with me. I said, “You know, Michael, it's so pitiful about this woman who is trying to do something in Belgium and if you would go there and see her, you could help her and maybe you could show them how to write a request so