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That was a traumatic experience.

Yes. She now runs the Lasker Awards, both for medical research and the medical journalism awards that are given twice a year, and she is now a member of the National Council on Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which include tuberculosis. This is one of the institutes of the National Institutes of Health; and if something doesn't happen about tuberculosis while she's on that council, I'll be very surprised. She's the greatest pleasure and help to me. Since she's been interested, it's been an enormous comfort to have a member of one's own family who works in the field and who agrees with you because of having the same experiences in trying to get something done. You know how she is.

She has great determination.

Enormous. Well, I think we've done very well, don't you? (break in tape)

In the 1964 political campaign--national campaign--I supported Johnson and Humphrey. I supported Jonathan Bingham from New York for Congressman, Bolling from Missouri, Brademas in Indiana--he's of Greek descent; he's a liberal Congressman from Indiana; James DeLaney of New York, who is on the Rules Committee and represents the Flushing area in New York; Winfield Denton of Indiana, who is on John Fogarty's committee