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represented a liberal voice. It would have been terrible to have the reactionary Republican who was running against him I thought. And other people naturally thought so, so that this has made the concensus that Johnson has been able to use to get his health and education and civil rights programs through. Unless there were people like me and many many others like me who were willing for various reasons to support Democrats, we wouldn't have it.

Are there many people in the country like you? I rather doubt this.

Well, I don't think there are many people that don't want something for their businesses or who don't want political office themselves. But there are public-spirited people in New York who want to support liberal people. There are a few.

Throughout the country, do you think?

Yes, there are a few. There are, let's say, 15 or 20 who are willing to give $500 to $1000 to good liberal candidates in other parts of the country that I know. Maybe I can't name that many; but if we sat down, I could probably find that many