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Well, I was interested at the time in Planned Parenthood, which I think I've described, and in psychiatry and psychoanalysis, and I did not at this time subscribe to medical journals, like the AMA Journal, which I do now. I wasn't part of any big movement in the cancer or heart field because there wasn't any. But I'll describe what happened about that later.

I've got things a bit out of order here. In 1929, after the Crash, Paul Reinhardt was very depressed by the business conditions for the sale of important paintings, because many people were afraid, although they still had a great deal of money, to admit they had any money through the purchase of any expensive pictures, so he did very little business. He started to drink again. His alcoholism was terribly distressing to me; it was as if he were someone who had entirely changed, as if he went into a cave and you couldn't find him and he wouldn't come out, but there he was. He was physically there, but actually as a person, he was lost. This was very, very distressing, and he was emotionally isolated, and also he was isolated from me. And I got interested in psychiatry and in the need to help people really through this situation of his.

Was AA active at that time?

No, I don't think it had even started. I think AA started in the mid-thirties.

He went once to a psychoanalyst, and I felt completely