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a National Heart Institute Emerson Foote and Albert and I formed a committee called the National Heart Committee and we asked to be the chairman of it. This was in order to have our letterhead and get people to write and wire to their Congressmen and show interest in the need of such a bill.

What was the date of that?

Well, we organized that in about December of '47 or January of '48. I decided that some of the funds that I had intended to help the American Heart Association with in order to finance their campaign for funds I would hold back and help finance the passage of this bill, and the Committee was established for that purpose. We had a staff member; his name is Norman Winter

Was he a doctor?

No, he was a young man who was a vary good publicity man who had worked for the Cancer Society.

Florence Mahoney and I went to Washington in January of '48 and I went to see Congressman Kieth of Wisconsin who was the chairman of the subcommittee on appropriations that had to do with the appropriations for the U.S. Public Health Service. I explained to him that we needed research in the field of heart and I happened, by chance, to have a letter--really not by chance--from the head of Kimberly Clark, a man called Stansebrenner, who