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sounded so sensible, and nobody else was doing much about it. And many of them were very agreeable about it, especially, as you know, that I was a good friend of Pepper and Murray and some of the others.

Anyway, at this first hearing in the House James Adams of, Mrs. Wendell Willkie, Dr. Robert Levy of Columbia, Dr. Rappleye and Dr. T. Duckett Jones, and Dr. Tinsley Harrison testified. I was deeply moved by the hearing. I felt it was the beginning of something very important, and I was really very emotionally moved about the testimony of that day.

Wilberton and Percy Priest seemed particularly sympathetic and Wilber ton made a warm speech at the end thanking us. I didn't realize that this was quite common on the part of Congressmen and Senators.

Were you cross-examined at all in your testimony?

No. I gave a lot of facts and figures and they weren't in a position to refute them.

After this, I went to see Senator Pepper in the Senate and asked him, begged him to try to get the heart bill referred out of the Senate subcommittee. He went on the floor--I think he was a member of the subcommittee, but I'm not sure, and anyway, he was friendly with the people on it and he was very energetic--and he gathered the members of the subcommittee