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Well, Cranston got up on the floor when the bill came to report July 8, '71, and said that while he opposed the bill he was going to vote for it, and he gave a tribute to mesaying that I was the one who had organized the support for the bill. That was true but I was very surprised that he said anything about it. Most of the time he said nothing. And I was really amazed that he realized from whence the 60,000 letters had emerged.

Was Humphrey helpful to you behind the scenes?

Well, as best he could be, yes, but he want' crucial. What was crucial was Bobst turning Nixon around.

So the bill passed 79 to 1. Nelson got up and made a speech saying it was terrible and there was no way to counter cancer and it was simplyu awful, really outrageously affronted by the whole idea of this particular bill. However, the great mistake that we made was that we did not talk to Paul Rogers. We now had the bill out of the Senate.

Congressman Rogers?

Congressman Rogers -- When the bill was first introduced. He was in January of '71 just a member of the House Health Subcommittee, but he said at once that he was opposed to S-34, and is so.

On what basis?

He was against it getting out of the hands of the National Institutes of Health because they were such a wonderful organization, it would be so terrible if -- in fact, the net of it was, it would be so