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You've always expressed this point of view to me.

People think of me as somebody who's interested in planting trees in the streets of New York.

You've always expressed this opinion to me for the last 12 years and it's always amazed me.

Well, there are some doctors who know but very few, very few, and none of them know the extent of what I've done. Nobody. Really the only place you can find it is in this Oral History.

This record -- well, thank God for that.

Then in other matters --

I would like to ask several questions that relate to this whole subject. Last year, the Lasker Award was given to Dr. Robert Good because of the development of this new approach to cancer.

Yes, immunotherapy.

Immunology. Would you talk about that a little bit?

Well, he has made some progress in the field, but actually he's done practically nothing clinically, at least had not when he was given the award. His work was largely inthelaboratory, and I do think he's impressed a great many people. I do think his work is important. But it has not yet turned out to have big payoffs in cancer clinically that I have yet heard about.

Is this one of the areas that the new cancer setup will deal with?