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I hope that the new cancer setup will deal extensively with immunotherapy of cancer clinically, and Dr. Ed Kline who is the one that showed you could cure skin cancers, non-invasive skin cancers with 5 F U and salve, has started to work with melanomas, with reticuline cell care omas, and often with two breat cancer patients on immune methods of treating these patients. I'm trying to be in touch with him in the next day or so to see what his recent results have been. But he's really clinically the leader in the immunotherapy field.

Sounds like a very thrilling tangent to development.

Oh, it is.

Is this entirely new, in the research?

It's only been talked about in the last four or five years.

Isit exclusively in the United States?

No, a man called Matte in France showed that you could get some regression in leukemis, I think, if people were vaccinated with BC-G, that BC-G gave an immune response to -- and that people's immune system seemed to be able to throw of leukemic attacks. Now, this is being worked on here by other people, but at the same time they're curing, they think, or they have some five year cures of leukemia with a group of four drugs. Those drugs are very toxic and it may be that immune methods will be less toxic and easier to work with. But the whole field is in a field of unsettlement.

Do you sense enthusiasm for this new idea?