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I found that people I knew in New York, like the doctor at New York Hospital and Dr. Rosenfeld who's a cardiologist and not knowledgeable about cancers and Dr. Whitmore at Memorial really didn't have anything to suggest, by last June after he'd finished his radiation treatments, and I consulted the Veteran's administration.

I want to talk about this because it's a prototype that can happen and does happen to many people, and it's the kind of thing we've been trying to fight against and we haven't gotten nearly as far as we should have gotten, because we have had the lead to hormones, that they do affect cancer of the prostate. This has been known since Huggins, since '41. And it just hasn't been done or made available or explored sufficiently, and we don't know whether certain hormones if given would suppress the tumors and eventually bring about longer cures. It's been kind of a hit and miss effort, except for the use of estrogen.

Now, S.N. 714 was a progesterone, not an estrogen. They were afraid to give him estrogen, Rosenfeld was afraid to give him estrogen because of his heart condition. Actually a small amount of estrogen probably wouldn't have hurt his heart at all and might have had an effect on the tumor, but I couldn't get them to do anything about it.

I finally got in touch with Dr. Jonsson at the University of Lund who was using an estrogen and nitugen mustard compound, which showed some fairly good results on people who had no longer been able to be controlled through operations or estrogen alone. They found that this particular -- this is some mixture that they've developed