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being done clinically about major forms of cancer. I still think so, even though a little more is being done and a prostatic cancer test for instance has been established, by the Cancer Institute, which is being run by Gerald Murphy at Roswell Park. The whole field of testing of new compounds clinically and testing off -- ascertaining people's hormonal output in both breast cancer and prostatic cancer is in its, well, to say the least, its infancy. It seems so discouraging to me, when there are means for doing it and when it's been shown -- these two forms of cancer have been shown to be so hormonally related.

As you say, back in 1941, so early there were results --

Yes, isn't it strange?

Mrs. Lasker, a related thing is immunology. I tried to get the doctors at the Naval Hospital interested this past year in this area because a friend of mine was heavily afflicted with cancer, but --

-- of the prostate?

Yes, but they didn't do anything about it because they said it was so new and they thought perhaps he was too far gone.

Yes. Well, the articles that you saw in the TIMES were certainly influenced by me through Ruth Maier because of the experiences that Dr. Edmund Klevin had had in breast cancer, Dr. Ed at Roswell Park. Ed Klun is a friend of ours and he has found that by the use of PPD are BCG that he could sometimes really get striking regressions of breast cancer tumors, and I begged him