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how easy it would be to work with him, that he seemed to have a preference for accepting the advice of doctors --

Yes, but I think that as he goes along, he's so bright that he sees that maybe they don't know everything. At any rate, he really wants to get something dons and he is very energetic and wants to make a name for himself in this field. I don't know if I'll ever get along with him as well as Senator Hill but I certainly am very friendly with him. As you remember, he was the speaker at our Lasker Awards luncheon, on cancer chemotherapy, in 1972.

As to my other -- this is a P.S. to the politics section -- I gave a reception for Congressman Aboureszk in the spring, and -- here, in my house -- and we raised a fairly substantial amount of money, because Ted Kennedy came and talked for him.

What's his background?

Well, he wasthen a Congressman from South Dakota and he wanted to be a Senator. He got Mundt's seat, imagine.

As you know, I'm on the board of Braniff International Airlines.

No, I didn't know it, how did you get on there?

Because I'm a friend of Mr. and Mrs. Harding Lawrence, Mary Wills Lawrence and her husband, and I went to a meeting, one board meeting in Acapulco, one in Dallas, and I'm going to another meeting --

-- that's a nice place to go --

Never mind, the Braniff Airline takes you there.