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a hman breast cancer virus particle, and virus particles for eleven other major tumors, and by special microbiological means, and he -- this virus particle of breast cancer in already growing in tissue in the laboratory of a Dr. Brennan in Detroit. Now, this -- it depends on what's the results' of this ability to grow this virus particle, depends on whether or not we might possibly have a vaccine of some kind. The ability to identify virus particles of cancer can lead to important change in diagnosis and in treatment. It looks to me like a very big step forward. He was one of the speakers. This was in November and the 1st day of December, '73.

In April, before a meeting of the American Cancer Society, Dr. E. Kline and Dr. Djerassi reported on a very interesting experiment, the identification of key cells in the body which, in the immunological system, can destroy cancer cells in the body, if they're activated.

Lasker; Yes. They're going forward with their work. They don't have as large support as they should have to get as much don as they need, because of course they need to show that this works with a large number of cases, and a variety of typs of cancer. But they're going forward with their work and getting some support.

They have some support from NIH?

Yes. But never, you know, what they need is a couple of million dollars, to really tear the thing to pieces, and they don't have that.

The more funds that we have, the more people seem to have ideas.