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And Rogers can't help there.

Well, Rogers tries to help. Rogers tries to help and he's willing to push anyone with whom he may have some influence. But he doesn't have influence with Mahon.

Would you talk about your special friends in the Senate who helped you with pushing this whole thing?

Well, Magnusoen is very sympathetic and friendly, and Senator Krnest Hollings of North Caroline, and Senator Byrd of West Virginia, and Senator Bible of Nevada. We have much more real sympathy with the Senate. Mahon appointed the members of a House subcommittee, where we got into terrible trouble in '68 -- or was it '70? '68, wasn't it, when we had the sweepk? There was a big sweep. The only member of the original subcommittee left was Flood, and he (mahou) appointed entirely new people, all of whom he calculated to be hatile to research, or at least indifferent, and he was right. It's really unbelievable, what a reactionary and dumb committee. We have Bob Michael representing the President. Representing the administration point of view, who's energetic and of course always against any additional funds. Although he's rather pleasant to meet with, he doesn't really help us,.

NWfow, the astonishing thing that the adminission did -- in addition to trying to get more funds for cancer, I wanted to get earmarked funds for demonstration, under the control section of the Heart Act, for high blood pressure. In other words, demonstration on city and state level of how much could be done for