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550, andnow, with the final agreement, on the HEW bill allowing Mr., the commissioner to take a 5 percent cut, which I assume he will take and we will come out with about 520 millions for fiscal '74.

Who were your principal friends in the House?

In the House? The truth is that a very unusual person. He has gotten better about the appropriations, a little. But we have no really great advocate, and we always have Mahons against more money for medical research. He really doesn't believe in it. He thinks it's all a waste. And I've done everything I can think of to try to get him to be interested, including asking Tip O'Nell, the majority leader, to have a luncheon for him, and I invited Dr. DeBakey, Dr. R. Lee Clark of Houston and Dr. Finnerty of Washington to lunch, to tell Congressman Mahon, who's the chairman of the Appropriations Committee, what advances were being made.

Were you there?

I was there. They were curiously not very effective that day, and didn't really touch Mahon at all. I've done everything I can think of, including asking him to dinner parties, Mrs. Blair's, and you know, everything I can think of. But we just don't reach him.

Is Mike Garman still working for you?

Oh yes. But Mike doesn't have any suppert with him either. He Just thinks -- he just can't imagine it to be anything that will pay off.