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Speaking of Senator Kennedy, he held a hearing on biomedical research and the President's Biomedical Research Commission, which had been appointed by the President a year ago, and his hearing was held about three weeks ago. He was inquiring from them and from heads of the National Institutes for Health what advances they had made for huan beings and what they had done to reduce the death rate. Actually they were extcemely poor at their answers. The attitude has been historically that biomedical research isn't supposed to get down to human beings. Now they've only gotten this because enough Senators and Congressmen have pushed the question with them. Actually, there's no point to giving money for research at all unless it eventually results in help for human beings.

What do they consider it -- pure research?

Pure research: write about it and put it on the shelf in a medical magazine or in a book. Now that is not what the Congress is giving the money for or the people are giving the money for.

They want results.

And Mr. Kennedy made quite clear that he was very