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and the cancer cells seem to have antigens, and it has virus-like aspects, but nobody has got a precise virus that can be grown at this moment that anybody in the cancer major centers knows about at least.

While you were talking about that subject, about the use of a combination of drugs. . .

There was a great hope with Gallo, yes.

Also you told me the story of the Kennedy and bone cancer and the use of several different drugs.

Yes, that has held up. Fortunately it's rare disease, but there's about an 80% two-year survival with children treated with 5-F-U plus cibrabone factor. And Dr. Holland at Mt. Sinai has another protocol, and Rosemont of Memorial has another protocol. But in other words, intensive drug treatment for orthogenic carcinoma is working, and it's a phenomenon which has never been seen until the last four years.

and the combination of that combination of drugs.