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United States and Russia. and it would be much more advantageous to be sending delegations to England, for when they do something, they report it in English. But this whole thing got going because of Nixon's idea of a detente, and one thing to do was to get doctors together, and doctors got together and the doctors like to come out and some of the doctors like to go to Russia or else they are willing to go to Russia, just to get away from home I think.

Well, what's the impasse in terms of the British?

I don't know. The British are not very up and coming about wanting to cooperate on any formal basis. The minister of health has never made any gestures toward the United States for cooperation. The United States gives various small grants to Great Britain in various areas, but there's no real effort going on.

That's rather curious. That leads me to ask about the program at Leeds Castle.

Leeds Castle has been opened by Princes Alexandra recently as a place for visitors and it has had as many an 2700 visitors in one day, and it has had two medical conferances. And it has now told the British foreign office that it would