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any effort in Europe, but they're making an effort with a few hundred thousand dollars. No big money. I mean, it's very small compared to the Cancer Society.

Did he happen to be in New York?

He happened to be in New York and he wanted me to be a member of a --

And you got up out of your sick bed?

I got up out of my bed and saw him, and I was encouraged --

This was encouraging too in terms of exchange of information, was it not, between the British and us?

Yes. I then did go to Washington, although I felt really quite sick, to a meeting on the Immunotherapy of Cancer and the Present Status of Trials in Man on October 27th. Oh, wait a minute, I didn't go. No, I didn't go. There was such a meeting, which I missed oh October 27th, and Mrs. Blair gave a dinner for the doctors.

Now, under whose aegis was that conference --?

This was paid for by the National Cancer Institute. But on November 21st and 23rd, I did go to the International Breast Cancer Task Force meeting.

That, again, was in Washington?

In Washington, with Dr. Veronesi of milan, Dr. Tagnon, Dr. O'Connor, Dr. Bonadonna, Dr. Carbone, Dr. Gullino, Lord Geoffrey-Lloyd.