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this cooperation.

Yes.

Perhaps this is the way it's going to go, rather than a general cooperation?

Well, once there's some very simple good methods of preventing or treating cancer, if there's something like penicillin, it won't take more than three or four years for it to be widely distributed throughout the world, but when there are difficult things, with toxic drugs and combinations of drugs, it's very slow. And yet it makes a Carps of people who believe, who see and who know that you can get cures with drugs, after people have been operated on, with types of cancer that heretofore were incurable. And I'll give you the data on that, on the types of cancers that have had five-year cures with drugs, that were heretofore incurable.

Then I had another very sad thing happen. I had a friend, Rosalind Russell, whom I probably told you about.

Yes, you talked about her.

Who had cancer and at the same time severe arthritis. Well, we got her on a combination of drugs for the breast cancer. The breast cancer did indeed go into remission. It was an end result. It was a metastasis from breast cancer, and that metastasis did shrink away, and she seemed to be in remission.

Now, that was just before you went to California in '76, wasn't it?

That's right. And then she, in the summer of '76, had